2701
Timothy Chase
Re: Re: Ratzinger: here we go again.
12/09/2006 23:44:00
On 12/09/06, oeditor <b-jordan@lineone.net> wrote:
>
> --- In BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Chase" <timothychase@...>
> wrote:
> >
>
> >> In any case, I would agree that this is not worth debating - assuming
> > we are ever able to move on to other things - such as the specific
> > objectives of this organisation. There are many forums for endlessly
> > debating the merits of religion, but I believe this forum has more
> > practical goals to attend to.
>
> Pity, then, that you've made such a mountain of my original molehill.
> Can't a bloke have a quick snipe at a figurehead? I thought that's
> what they were there for.
>
> Enough?
Sounds good. With this and everything I have been going through at
work today, I am feeling rather dizzy, and I believe I will need to
sit down for a bit...
2702
Roger Stanyard
Re: Trinity Haircut update
13/09/2006 08:35:00
--- In BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com, "ukantic" <alan@...> wrote:
>
> --- In BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Stanyard" <roger@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com, Marc Draco
<midnight.diamond@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Brew is a dickhead. Sorry, but that's the long and the short of
it.
> > He's
> > > another little Nazi like McQuoid.
> > >
> > > He's basically answerable to McQuoid (and ultimately Vardy) but
both
> > of
> > > those are likely to support him. This is WHY we must stop these
> > people
> > > running schools. It's just not on.
> > >
> > If we have anything on him such as his religious views, where he
came
> > from, etc., I can put something on our web site. This information
> > should be in the public domain. Any teacher who is using
creationims to
> > tell children that science is wrong should be detailed.
> >
>
> The TES has labelled him as a creationist in the past. See:
>
> http://www.tes.co.uk/search/story/?story_id=2056951
>
> I investigated that claim then & come up with this:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.comhttp://message/54
>
> Alan
>
This is very interesting because Emmanuel College (i.e. Brew) is
implying that it is specifically training "christian" only teachers
which are being retained by the ESF schools. Rather than recruiting
on the open market, it looks to be running a closed shop based on
religion using public money.
This seems to be in breach of employment legislation. It's actually
quite clever in the way it seems to circumvent the meaning of the
legislation. The trainees appear not to be actually funded by ESF but
get preference after training because they are already working in he
schools.
I also see the hands of John Burn behind this as he was a former
lecturer in a teacher traing college. It looks as if the strategy of
Burn runs very deep and wide, indeed.
The more I look at ESF the more I conclude that the real power is
Burn, not Vardy.
s runs
2703
Roger Stanyard
Re: Trinity Haircut update
13/09/2006 08:42:00
--- In BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com, "ukantic" <alan@...> wrote:
>
> --- In BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Stanyard" <roger@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com, Marc Draco
<midnight.diamond@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Brew is a dickhead. Sorry, but that's the long and the short of
it.
> > He's
> > > another little Nazi like McQuoid.
> > >
> > > He's basically answerable to McQuoid (and ultimately Vardy) but
both
> > of
> > > those are likely to support him. This is WHY we must stop these
> > people
> > > running schools. It's just not on.
> > >
> > If we have anything on him such as his religious views, where he
came
> > from, etc., I can put something on our web site. This information
> > should be in the public domain. Any teacher who is using
creationims to
> > tell children that science is wrong should be detailed.
> >
>
> The TES has labelled him as a creationist in the past. See:
>
> http://www.tes.co.uk/search/story/?story_id=2056951
>
> I investigated that claim then & come up with this:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.comhttp://message/54
>
> Alan
>
This looks to be a really big issue. Brew is suggesting that the ESF
schools only allow cgristians onto its training course and then gives
preference to them once they have finished training.
This looks as if it circumvents employment law; as trainees, they
appear not to be ESF employees and therefore the religious
discrimination rules do not apply.
However, upon completition of training they appear to get preference
in recruitment, presumably on the grounds that they are already there
and know the rules/fit in, etc..
It looks to me that ESF has gotten itself into the business of
fundamentalist teacher training.
Does that surprise anyone giving that Burn was a senior lecturer at a
teacher training college?
The more I look at ESF, the more I conclude that Burn is the real
power behind the throne and that Vardy is his puppet.
2704
Marc Draco
Re: Re: Trinity Haircut update
13/09/2006 10:50:00
Yeah, I suspect you have a point there, Roger.
Vardy is probably weak-willed and drawn into this game by Burn et al.
The same probably applies to Tom Cruise (fabulously wealthy, completely
nuts).
But don't forget that Vardy himself isn't short of a few tricks. I
suspect he and McQuoid are behind the rigid discipline codes because
they both suffered at school (McQuoid, it's said, was bullied mercilessly).
Roger Stanyard wrote:
>
> --- In BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com
> <BlackShadow%40yahoogroups.com>, "ukantic" <alan@...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com
> <BlackShadow%40yahoogroups.com>, "Roger Stanyard" <roger@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com
> <BlackShadow%40yahoogroups.com>, Marc Draco
> <midnight.diamond@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Brew is a dickhead. Sorry, but that's the long and the short of
> it.
> > > He's
> > > > another little Nazi like McQuoid.
> > > >
> > > > He's basically answerable to McQuoid (and ultimately Vardy) but
> both
> > > of
> > > > those are likely to support him. This is WHY we must stop these
> > > people
> > > > running schools. It's just not on.
> > > >
> > > If we have anything on him such as his religious views, where he
> came
> > > from, etc., I can put something on our web site. This information
> > > should be in the public domain. Any teacher who is using
> creationims to
> > > tell children that science is wrong should be detailed.
> > >
> >
> > The TES has labelled him as a creationist in the past. See:
> >
> > http://www.tes.co.uk/search/story/?story_id=2056951
> <http://www.tes.co.uk/search/story/?story_id=2056951>
> >
> > I investigated that claim then & come up with this:
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.comhttp://message/54
> <http://groups.yahoo.comhttp://message/54>
> >
> > Alan
> >
> This looks to be a really big issue. Brew is suggesting that the ESF
> schools only allow cgristians onto its training course and then gives
> preference to them once they have finished training.
>
> This looks as if it circumvents employment law; as trainees, they
> appear not to be ESF employees and therefore the religious
> discrimination rules do not apply.
>
> However, upon completition of training they appear to get preference
> in recruitment, presumably on the grounds that they are already there
> and know the rules/fit in, etc..
>
> It looks to me that ESF has gotten itself into the business of
> fundamentalist teacher training.
>
> Does that surprise anyone giving that Burn was a senior lecturer at a
> teacher training college?
>
> The more I look at ESF, the more I conclude that Burn is the real
> power behind the throne and that Vardy is his puppet.
>
>
2705
Roger Stanyard
Re: Trinity Haircut update
13/09/2006 12:01:00
--- In BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com, Marc Draco <midnight.diamond@...>
wrote:
>
> Yeah, I suspect you have a point there, Roger.
>
> Vardy is probably weak-willed and drawn into this game by Burn et
al.
> The same probably applies to Tom Cruise (fabulously wealthy,
completely
> nuts).
>
> But don't forget that Vardy himself isn't short of a few tricks. I
> suspect he and McQuoid are behind the rigid discipline codes
because
> they both suffered at school (McQuoid, it's said, was bullied
mercilessly).
Marc,
You'll probably find that both Burn and Peter Vardy are the eldest
siblings - they normally do the pushing around. Vardy, IIRC, went to
a conventional grammar school so I suspect that the discipline was
petty rather than rigid there.
Burn is the one that worries me; he has obviously been an exceedingly
ambitious person driven in part by his religious opinions but he has
always centred on education so he knows the game inside out.
Vardy knew nothing about education before Burn turned up on his
doorstep in 1987.
It would be interesting to know if McQuoid is an eldest child or not.
My intuition suggests not. I guess that he now heads ESF because he
is basically a yes man to Burn (rather than Vardy).
Had it not been for his involvement in academies, I would probably
respect Vardy. He clearly has what it takes to build up a big
organisation and manage people (including his brothers, by all
account).
Burn, in contrast, strikes me as a person I would always naturally
feel uncomfortable with whatever his religious opinions were. There
looks to be a strong touch of Machiavelli there.
Vardy's game, first and foremost, was to make money; Burn, it seems,
has been driven not by money but to impose his opinions on others.
Tom Cruise is altogether a different matter. He is a thespian, and,
quite frankly, thus has a totally different mind-set from the average
person.
2706
Roger Stanyard
Proof Reading
13/09/2006 15:15:00
I am in pretty desperate need of help in proof reading out web site. It
is now attracting attention (I had a telehone call today about it) but
there are too many typos on it for it to have the impact it should have.
Can I get anyone in the group to do a proof read? It isn't difficult to
do so and correct as you go along but you do need the key (which I'll
send by email) to open it up. I'll give all the simple (and few)
instructions you need.
I'f we get more than one volunteer, we can divide up the work.
I'm not good at proof reading my own work but constantly check and try
and proof every page both before posting and when I am refering to the
site. However, this is not systematic enough and still lets stuff slip
through.
Roger
2707
Rudy Vonk
Re: Proof Reading
13/09/2006 15:44:00
On 13 sep 2006, at 16:15, Roger Stanyard wrote:
> I am in pretty desperate need of help in proof reading out web site. It
> is now attracting attention (I had a telehone call today about it) but
> there are too many typos on it for it to have the impact it should
> have.
>
> Can I get anyone in the group to do a proof read? It isn't difficult
> to
> do so and correct as you go along but you do need the key (which I'll
> send by email) to open it up. I'll give all the simple (and few)
> instructions you need.
I would be happy to do corrections in manageable doses.
> I'f
I see what you mean :-) Dyslexia Rules KO. (No offence intended!)
> we get more than one volunteer, we can divide up the work.
> I'm not good at proof reading my own work but constantly check and try
> and proof every page both before posting and when I am refering to the
> site. However, this is not systematic enough and still lets stuff slip
> through.
Please indicate the URL (one - or a few - at a time, I hope) you want
me to correct, so as to avoid us all having a gang-bang at the same
text. I left my signature so you can contact me privately with the
password and instructions.
____________________________
Rudy Vonk
Oviedo, Spain
<rudy@mores.es>
+34 607 354100
You can't always want what you get
____________________________
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JAF
Re: Proof Reading
13/09/2006 16:01:00
On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:44:10 +0200, you wrote:
>I would be happy to do corrections in manageable doses.
>
>Please indicate the URL (one - or a few - at a time, I hope) you want
>me to correct, so as to avoid us all having a gang-bang at the same
>text. I left my signature so you can contact me privately with the
>password and instructions.
Me too. . .
--
JAF
anarchatntlworldfullstopcom
2709
oeditor
Re: Proof Reading
13/09/2006 16:33:00
--- In BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com, JAF <anarch@...> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:44:10 +0200, you wrote:
>
> >I would be happy to do corrections in manageable doses.
> Me too. . .
> --
And me.
Brian
2710
Timothy Chase
Re: Proof Reading
13/09/2006 16:55:00
On 13/09/06, Roger Stanyard <roger@dttconsulting.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I am in pretty desperate need of help in proof reading out web site. It
> is now attracting attention (I had a telehone call today about it) but
> there are too many typos on it for it to have the impact it should have.
>
> Can I get anyone in the group to do a proof read? It isn't difficult to
> do so and correct as you go along but you do need the key (which I'll
> send by email) to open it up. I'll give all the simple (and few)
> instructions you need.
>
> I'f we get more than one volunteer, we can divide up the work.
>
> I'm not good at proof reading my own work but constantly check and try
> and proof every page both before posting and when I am refering to the
> site. However, this is not systematic enough and still lets stuff slip
> through.
I would be willing to give it a try, but I will also check with my
wife - when I did my big papers, I always tried to get her to edit
them. She is a ruthless editor, but she doesn't monkey around with
style or content. Besides, I am sure that she would enjoy your
writing - assuming she can get past the subject. She finds
creationism so depressing. (I, on the otherhand, love the good fight,
the forces of light versus the forces of darkness, civilization
hanging in the balance, you know, that sort of thing.)
2711
Rudy Vonk
Re: Proof Reading
13/09/2006 17:43:00
I just did the Home Page (the first of those that Roger had assigned to
me). No changes were strictly necessary, but I made the punctuation a
little more fluent. However, as a note to other budding correctors and
with a view to consistency, I have to point out that I changed all
occurrences of "organisation" to the "Greek" spelling with a "z":
"organization". The "s"-spelling is not incorrect in British English,
but is generally viewed as "second choice".
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2712
John Germain
RE: Proof Reading
13/09/2006 18:21:00
I would be happy to give it a go, but I don't trust my abilities with web sites
or groups:
I have a tendency to make things-done-gone-bugger-up.
If you can save me a copy somewhere I can't do too much harm, great!
John Germain
Jersey
British Channel Islands
-----Original Message-----
From: BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com [BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Roger
Stanyard
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:15 PM
To: BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BlackShadow] Proof Reading
I am in pretty desperate need of help in proof reading out web site. It
is now attracting attention (I had a telehone call today about it) but
there are too many typos on it for it to have the impact it should have.
Can I get anyone in the group to do a proof read? It isn't difficult to
do so and correct as you go along but you do need the key (which I'll
send by email) to open it up. I'll give all the simple (and few)
instructions you need.
I'f we get more than one volunteer, we can divide up the work.
I'm not good at proof reading my own work but constantly check and try
and proof every page both before posting and when I am refering to the
site. However, this is not systematic enough and still lets stuff slip
through.
Roger
Yahoo! Groups Links
2713
Roger Stanyard
Re: Proof Reading
13/09/2006 18:39:00
--- In BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com, "John Germain"
<jtg.germainsjy@...> wrote:
>
> I would be happy to give it a go, but I don't trust my abilities
with web sites or groups:
> I have a tendency to make things-done-gone-bugger-up.
>
> If you can save me a copy somewhere I can't do too much harm, great!
>
Thanks John for your offer of help. An easy way to get round this is
if I send you something in M/S Word form through your email box.
It's no problem for me to copy/cut and past and vv stuff out of the
wiki.
Is this acceptable to you?
Roger
2714
Roger Stanyard
Re: Proof Reading
13/09/2006 18:40:00
--- In BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com, Rudy Vonk <rudy@...> wrote:
>
> I just did the Home Page (the first of those that Roger had assigned
to
> me). No changes were strictly necessary, but I made the punctuation a
> little more fluent. However, as a note to other budding correctors
and
> with a view to consistency, I have to point out that I changed all
> occurrences of "organisation" to the "Greek" spelling with a "z":
> "organization". The "s"-spelling is not incorrect in British English,
> but is generally viewed as "second choice".
>
Thanks Rudy!
2715
Roger Stanyard
Organising Proof Reading
13/09/2006 18:52:00
Thanks everyone for the kind offers of help
I have put some systematic organising behind proof reading which (I
hope) should help.
As it stands I guess about 20%-25% of the site is in the process of
being proof read and another 5-10% doesn't need it (for example,
Rough Guide to Creationism).
I have introduced a code system to show the position on proof reading.
At the bottom left hand corner of pages that have been proof read or
which I have asked to be proof read there is a three digit code
starting with either and upper case U or an upper case P.
Those stand for "unproofed" but expected to be proofed and P stands
for proof read. If there is no code it means that I don't yet have a
volunteer to proof it.
So, if anyone is proofing and has extra time to proof other pages
(i.e. unmarked by the code) I would be over the moon. When yoy have
finished, just add the code P plus you initials (all in upper case),
in the bottom left hand corner of the page.
I have to say that there is still a substantial amount of work to be
done so any extra volunteers would be more than welcome.
Roger
2716
John Germain
RE: Re: Proof Reading
13/09/2006 18:51:00
Fine, Roger: that way any cock-ups will be down to you <evil grin>
John Germain
Jersey
British Channel Islands
-----Original Message-----
From: BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com [BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Roger
Stanyard
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 6:39 PM
To: BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BlackShadow] Re: Proof Reading
--- In BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com, "John Germain"
<jtg.germainsjy@...> wrote:
>
> I would be happy to give it a go, but I don't trust my abilities
with web sites or groups:
> I have a tendency to make things-done-gone-bugger-up.
>
> If you can save me a copy somewhere I can't do too much harm, great!
>
Thanks John for your offer of help. An easy way to get round this is
if I send you something in M/S Word form through your email box.
It's no problem for me to copy/cut and past and vv stuff out of the
wiki.
Is this acceptable to you?
Roger
Yahoo! Groups Links
2717
Ian Lowe
RE: Organising Proof Reading
13/09/2006 19:04:00
> I have to say that there is still a substantial amount of work to be done
so any extra volunteers would be more than welcome.
Count me in - I can spare a little time tonight. :)
Ian.
2718
Mikey Brass
Re: Proof Reading
13/09/2006 19:11:00
Rudy Vonk wrote:
> I have to point out that I changed all
> occurrences of "organisation" to the "Greek" spelling with a "z":
> "organization". The "s"-spelling is not incorrect in British English,
> but is generally viewed as "second choice".
It is first choice in British English.
2719
Drew Smith
RE: Proof Reading
13/09/2006 19:30:00
I would concur with Mikey. Here is a similar viewpoint:
http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-ise1.htm
Also, if you do a Google search for UK sites (using site:uk as a search
term), you'll find *far* more instances of "organisation" than of
"organization".
Drew Smith (a U.S. bloke)
________________________________
From: BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com
[BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mikey Brass
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:12 PM
To: BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlackShadow] Proof Reading
Rudy Vonk wrote:
> I have to point out that I changed all
> occurrences of "organisation" to the "Greek" spelling with a "z":
> "organization". The "s"-spelling is not incorrect in British
English,
> but is generally viewed as "second choice".
It is first choice in British English.
2720
ukantic
Re: Ratzinger: here we go again.
13/09/2006 19:30:00
--- In BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Chase" <timothychase@...>
wrote:
>
> On 12/09/06, ukantic <alan@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > We all have moral standards, which can vary widely; however, as long
> > as they act within the law, a person's standards are their own
> > personal matter. They have nothing to do with the Catholic Church &
> > their views on morality. I did not vote for the Catholic Church last
> > time, nor did anyone else here. Their moral views are irrelevant & do
> > not change the fact that they are ignoring or opposing scientific
> > advice on the issue of AIDS prevention, contraception or stem-cell
> > research. This of course makes them vulnerable to the charge of being
> > anti-science.
>
> Science does not dispense advice. Science makes discoveries and
> science identifies causal relationships.
Disagree. Pure science like you are on about below may not dispense
advice, but then again I never, ever said it did. However in the field
of applied science where research affects the lives of ordinary people
then it clearly does. For example someone researching lead toxicity
may recommend removing lead pipes from homes, etc.
Likewise, it can identify
> the likely consequences of enacting a given policy - as in economics.
> But economics does not recommend avoiding hyperinflation. It does not
> recommend the avoidance of price controls or tariffs. It simply
> identifies the likely consequences of such policies. Likewise,
> climatology does not recommend that we abandon the use of fossil fuels
> or even avoid a spiraling greenhouse effect which may follow from
> various positive feedback loops - it simply identifies the greenhouse
> effect as a consequence of our continued use of fossil fuels.
Climatology as a theoretical subject, comprising those ideas, theories
& mathematical models associated with it, would rightly have no
opinion on the subject of restricting fossil fuel burning. However it
isn't just an abstract science but also an applied one with
consequences for the long-term health & wellbeing of the planet & all
human life. In this form it does more than simply identify problems;
it also issues advice. I think you will find that many of the
scientists working in this specialist field are advocating a reduction
in fossil fuel consumption & that that view is so pervasive that it
can be described as a scientific consensus on the subject. Likewise,
there is a similar situation in the fields of stem-cell research,
contraception & AIDS prevention. Whether you accept it or not (&
judging from what you have written below – not), there is a consensus
within the scientific community about the best way of approaching or
tackling these problems which conflicts head on with the CC's view of
them. That this is so is just a simple fact which no amount of
convoluted philosophical argument on your part is going to change. Now
if you don't mind Timothy, I've listened to the story, read the book,
watched the film, eaten the pie, drunk the drink & finally thrown up.
Now I would like to do something else with my life besides argue about
this a moment longer.
Thanks, Alan.
<snip>
2721
Timothy Chase
Re: Proof Reading
13/09/2006 20:17:00
On 13/09/06, Mikey Brass <michael.brass@uclmail.net> wrote:
>
> Rudy Vonk wrote:
> > I have to point out that I changed all
> > occurrences of "organisation" to the "Greek" spelling with a "z":
> > "organization". The "s"-spelling is not incorrect in British English,
> > but is generally viewed as "second choice".
>
> It is first choice in British English.
You've just earned the gratitude of a Yank! Good to know as this
issue turns up time and again. However, Moira will be quite helpful
in this regard: she fell out of a spelling bee early on thanks to
reading too many of your blody novels!
2722
Timothy Chase
Re: Re: Ratzinger: here we go again.
13/09/2006 20:47:00
On 13/09/06, ukantic <alan@blackshadow.me.uk> wrote:
>
...
> Now I would like to do something else with my life besides argue about
> this a moment longer.
Sounds good, Alan.
Despite its volatility, I was actually rather enjoying the subject:
there are some things worth exploring in this area. Whether you are
in a discussion, dialogue or debate, the most important thing is
always the personal process of discovery - which others may
facilitate, to varying degrees, whatever their views or attitudes may
be - whether they intend to or not. A single insight is all it takes
to make the whole thing worthwhile. But we can get back to it when we
get back to it.
Take care, my friend.
2723
Mikey Brass
Re: Proof Reading
13/09/2006 21:33:00
Timothy Chase wrote:
>> It is first choice in British English.
>
> You've just earned the gratitude of a Yank!
Besides from that, and without intending any offense to Rudy at all for
his hard work, there must be a standardised spelling used for the
website. If it is UK English, then it is a "s" and "colour" (for
example). If it is US English, then a "z". I am personally in favour of
standard UK English but have no strong feelings either way as it isn't
my website.
2724
bonytrux
Trinity Haircur update 2
13/09/2006 22:43:00
Following the refusal of Brew fo see Lee Kilgour's parents on Monday I
wrote a letter to Brew for Mr. Kilgour. It stated the actual
references to DfES regulations on exclusions, told Brew he had acted
illegally and demanded that Lee was reinstated. It has apparently
caused great waves at Trinity - Brew has abandoned his diary for two
days, spending today getting legal advice. He is now due to meet Mr.
Kilgour at 8.45am tomorrow. BBC Look North plan to film Mr. Kilgour
and Lee going in and then to interview them afterwards to hear the
outcome of the meeting.Councillor Martin Williams will again try to
attend the meeting. Should be on lunchtime and evening bulletins.
(This is what happens when you push the head of Thorne Grammar out to
prepare the way for Vardy - I was always known for writing nasty
letters !)
2725
Rudy Vonk
Re: Proof Reading
14/09/2006 08:09:00
On 13 sep 2006, at 20:11, Mikey Brass wrote:
> It is first choice in British English.
Not in the dictionaries I have. In any case, I stick with Fowler: the
notion that "-ize" can only be used if the verb already existed as such
in Greek is pure nonsense.
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Roger Stanyard
Nick Cowan
14/09/2006 08:24:00
Nick Cowan is complaining that I kicked him out of this group. He has
applied to rejoin it. He is also complaining that he can't read the
messages.
Should we let him back in?
My strong opinion is no.
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Mikey Brass
Re: Proof Reading
14/09/2006 08:32:00
Rudy Vonk wrote:
> On 13 sep 2006, at 20:11, Mikey Brass wrote:
>
> It is first choice in British English.
>
>
> Not in the dictionaries I have.
SA English taught in schools follows the UK English of "s". It also is
in the Oxford style guide for writers and editors which my fiancee has
(it lists "z" as the international standard for publications, btw,
following the US system). I live in the UK and have to deal with the
British standard of grammar and spelling everyday too.
Those publication houses based in the UK tend to use "s"; those whose
headquarters are in the US use "z" as there international standard. The
same goes for all the academic journals I read.
The dictionary, in this case, is listing the "international standard" as
first, the UK spelling as second.
"Z" is American, "s" is British.
--
Best, Mikey Brass
MA in Archaeology degree, University College London
"The Antiquity of Man" http://www.antiquityofman.com
Book: "The Antiquity of Man: Artifactual, fossil and gene records explored"
- !ke e: /xarra //ke
("Diverse people unite": Motto of the South African Coat of Arms, 2002)
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Mikey Brass
Re: Nick Cowan
14/09/2006 08:33:00
You know my view Roger: yes
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Wankle Rotary-Pyjamas
Re: Proof Reading
14/09/2006 08:32:00
I would seriously like to become more involved on the "activity" side of things,
but, as I've just started a new job, won't be able to commit to anything more
than an ad-hoc arrangement (which one would assume is not quite what's being
looked for).
Once things have settled down, I'll hopefully be in a position to put myself
forward to something other than distributing pamphlets around Reading..!!
Phil.
----------
>I am in pretty desperate need of help in proof reading out web site. It
>is now attracting attention (I had a telehone call today about it) but
>there are too many typos on it for it to have the impact it should have.
>
>Can I get anyone in the group to do a proof read? It isn't difficult to
>do so and correct as you go along but you do need the key (which I'll
>send by email) to open it up. I'll give all the simple (and few)
>instructions you need.
>
>I'f we get more than one volunteer, we can divide up the work.
>
>I'm not good at proof reading my own work but constantly check and try
>and proof every page both before posting and when I am refering to the
>site. However, this is not systematic enough and still lets stuff slip
>through.
>
>Roger
>
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>Yahoo! Groups Links
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Mikey Brass
Re: Proof Reading
14/09/2006 08:44:00
Oh and don't get MS Office rightly uses "s" for UK English.
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Mikey Brass
Re: Proof Reading
14/09/2006 08:44:00
Oh and don't forget MS Office rightly uses "s" for UK English.
2732
Ian Lowe
RE: Nick Cowan
14/09/2006 09:24:00
Because now he is unable to:
1) forward on emails to his fundie friends and colleagues
And
2) engage in pointless sniping at what other posters have said
He can't read the messages? Boo bloody hoo. They are none of his business.
There's an election coming up in Scotland this year.
If I popped on over to the forums of the Scottish Conservative Party and
said "Hi there, I'm a nationalist, trying to break up the Union, can I
register in your forum so I can read your plans for campaining, and post
annoying little whines about how wrong you all are?", I can pretty much
guarantee the answer would consist of two words, one that rhymes with
"duck", and "off".
Ian.
-----Original Message-----
From: BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com [BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Roger Stanyard
Sent: 14 September 2006 08:25
To: BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BlackShadow] Nick Cowan
Nick Cowan is complaining that I kicked him out of this group. He has
applied to rejoin it. He is also complaining that he can't read the
messages.
Should we let him back in?
My strong opinion is no.
Yahoo! Groups Links
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Mikey Brass
Re: Proof Reading
14/09/2006 09:33:00
--- In BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com, Mikey Brass <michael.brass@...> wrote:
> Those publication houses based in the UK tend to use "s"; those whose
> headquarters are in the US use "z" as there international standard. The
> same goes for all the academic journals I read.
http://www.tandf.co.uk/journals/authors/fedrauth.asp
The European Journal of Development Research
Spelling
# Use UK spelling. The journal uses the Oxford English Dictionary.
# Use `s' instead of `z' where an alternative is offered.
# Use italics for foreign words not listed in the OED.
My view is that this is a UK website for UK citizens and therefore
should reflect Uk English spelling.
Over to Roger.
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Rudy Vonk
Re: Re: Proof Reading
14/09/2006 09:49:00
On 14 sep 2006, at 10:33, Mikey Brass wrote:
> My view is that this is a UK website for UK citizens and therefore
> should reflect Uk English spelling.
The Times and the Economist Style Guides agree with you. I'll change it
back to "s", but I still agree with Fowler :-)
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Roger Stanyard
Re: Trinity Haircur update 2
14/09/2006 10:19:00
--- In BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com, "bonytrux" <bonytrux@...> wrote:
>
> Following the refusal of Brew fo see Lee Kilgour's parents on Monday
I
> wrote a letter to Brew for Mr. Kilgour. It stated the actual
> references to DfES regulations on exclusions, told Brew he had acted
> illegally and demanded that Lee was reinstated. It has apparently
> caused great waves at Trinity - Brew has abandoned his diary for two
> days, spending today getting legal advice. He is now due to meet Mr.
> Kilgour at 8.45am tomorrow. BBC Look North plan to film Mr. Kilgour
> and Lee going in and then to interview them afterwards to hear the
> outcome of the meeting.Councillor Martin Williams will again try to
> attend the meeting. Should be on lunchtime and evening bulletins.
> (This is what happens when you push the head of Thorne Grammar out to
> prepare the way for Vardy - I was always known for writing nasty
> letters !)
We owe you a big round of applause! Thanks.
2736
Roger Stanyard
Re: Proof Reading
14/09/2006 10:24:00
--- In BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com, Mikey Brass <michael.brass@...>
wrote:
>
> Rudy Vonk wrote:
> > On 13 sep 2006, at 20:11, Mikey Brass wrote:
> >
> > It is first choice in British English.
> >
> >
> > Not in the dictionaries I have.
>
> SA English taught in schools follows the UK English of "s". It also
is
> in the Oxford style guide for writers and editors which my fiancee
has
> (it lists "z" as the international standard for publications, btw,
> following the US system). I live in the UK and have to deal with
the
> British standard of grammar and spelling everyday too.
>
> Those publication houses based in the UK tend to use "s"; those
whose
> headquarters are in the US use "z" as there international standard.
The
> same goes for all the academic journals I read.
>
> The dictionary, in this case, is listing the "international
standard" as
> first, the UK spelling as second.
>
> "Z" is American, "s" is British.
>
I'm not sure that this really matters. Some of the stuff on the web
site is writtent by Americans - Drew, Lenny, Tim, etc. and my natural
tendency is to leave it to them to express themsleves.
One issue that isn't apparent is that, from my understanding, most
people who learn English as a second language learn American English
rather than British English. So they would tend to use z rather than
s. As I hope we have an international audience, z, perhaps also has
its benefits.
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Ian Lowe
RE: Re: New Member
14/09/2006 10:44:00
So... One week later and where do we stand?
Well, basically, the only people who signed up to the demo board were
Myself, Phil and Brian. Mikey voiced support, but other than that, it's been
silent.
Really, Brian is the only person who has logged in and posted/sent an email
to see how it works. This literally takes a couple of *minutes* of time, and
allows for an informed decision to be made as to whether this is something
that would meet the needs of the group.
I'm not particularly comfortable with going any further on this if people
have not tried it out first.
Basically, I made the offer to help out, spent the time setting up an
example board, and even put some admin notes together... There are clear
problems with Yahoo, this solution is dramatically more feature rich, but it
still needs to be checked out.
I'll be removing the example board at the weekend (Sunday morning), as this
was never meant to be a permanent fixture. If the response is still lack
lustre by that point, I'll take that as basically meaning that it's not
something that people think is worth the effort.
In the meantime, if there are actually any reasons or concerns that are
preventing people from looking at this solution.. please post. I'll stress
that If there is something personal in this - I am more than happy to log
into someone else's web space, set this stuff up, then change the password.
The current bunch of software and technologies available to help groups like
this stay in touch are pretty powerful. It would be a shame to not make full
use of them.
Ian.
-----Original Message-----
From: BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com [BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Ian Lowe
Sent: 07 September 2006 22:01
To: BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BlackShadow] Re: New Member
> I'm looking forward to see how Ian's demo works.
Righty. It's ready for a demo - sorry about the delay, had to run some
errands after work.
The forum is here:
http://www.atheistaction.org.uk
That's a domain I had lying around, not being used, so don't panic. It's
just what I had to hand.
Register for an account, and you will get an email back asking you to
confirm your email and activate the account. Once you do, log in.
When you look at the forum as a member of Joe Public, you can see one forum.
When you get an account set up and log in, you should be able to see another
forum.
Post a message to me, and I will add you to a group in the forum called
"organisers". When this is done, you will be able to see another, hidden
forum.
Each forum has a mailing list attached to it.
If you click the "forum subscriptions" button at the top of the screen once
logged in, it allows you to "subscribe" to the email address. That's all
there is to it - if you post in the webforum, it will end up on the mailin
list. If you reply to the mailing list, it will end up in the forum.
Give it a try.
Ian.
PS> I have set this up, but not "tweaked" it - there might be a couple of
niggles to fix, so don't jump to a conclusion without asking me about
anything which doesn't seem to work.
Yahoo! Groups Links
2738
oeditor
Re: Nick Cowan
14/09/2006 11:09:00
--- In BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Lowe" <ian@...> wrote:
>
> Because now he is unable to:
>
> 1) forward on emails to his fundie friends and colleagues
>
Quite.
However, you've provided us with (an example of) an excellent
alternative. How say we pay a few quid for a domain and start the
thing off at the public/open level and see how it goes? I'm quite
happy to provide a bit of a smokescreen to make it look alive, if
enough others will, and don't mind arguing with Nick at all.
We could quite truthfully say that not everybody is happy with a
closed forum, and so we've added a new public one. We could test out
Josh, as well - it would be fun if he got to arguing with Nick ;-)
As it would only (at first) be a plaything, there'd be no need for
moderation unless we later moved everything there.
Brian
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oeditor
Re: Proof Reading
14/09/2006 11:20:00
--- In BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com, Rudy Vonk <rudy@...> wrote:
>
> On 14 sep 2006, at 10:33, Mikey Brass wrote:
>
> > My view is that this is a UK website for UK citizens and therefore
> > should reflect Uk English spelling.
>
> The Times and the Economist Style Guides agree with you. I'll change it
> back to "s", but I still agree with Fowler :-)
>
Fowler can be a bit pedantic. My 1968 edition is revised by Gowers but
Gowers in his own "The Complete Plain Words" plumps for "s" on the
grounds that "s" is always correct but "z" is sometimes wrong (e.g.
advertise, despise). However, this edition of Gowers is revised by Sir
Bruce Fraser (sic :-).
Brian
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Roger Stanyard
Re: New Member
14/09/2006 12:16:00
--- In BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Lowe" <ian@...> wrote:
>
>
>> I'm not particularly comfortable with going any further on this if
people
> have not tried it out first.
>
> Basically, I made the offer to help out, spent the time setting up
an
> example board, and even put some admin notes together... There are
clear
> problems with Yahoo, this solution is dramatically more feature
rich, but it
> still needs to be checked out.
>
It is bad manners on my behalf not to have tried it out.
Please accept my apologies Ian. I'll try in out at later this
afternoon.
Roger
2741
ukantic
Re: New Member
14/09/2006 12:49:00
--- In BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Lowe" <ian@...> wrote:
>
>
> So... One week later and where do we stand?
>
> Well, basically, the only people who signed up to the demo board were
> Myself, Phil and Brian. Mikey voiced support, but other than that,
it's been
> silent.
>
> Really, Brian is the only person who has logged in and posted/sent
an email
> to see how it works. This literally takes a couple of *minutes* of
time, and
> allows for an informed decision to be made as to whether this is
something
> that would meet the needs of the group.
>
> I'm not particularly comfortable with going any further on this if
people
> have not tried it out first.
The only reason I have not tried it out Ian is because I am fairly
familiar with these types of forums, you said it can have both private
& public areas (which I believe are going to be essential – we need to
get Nick back somehow because he is an absolute goldmine on the UK
creationist scene) & I am therefore happy to see BS move across; I
don't feel the need to test it out.
Alan.
2742
ukantic
Re: Trinity Haircur update 2
14/09/2006 12:51:00
--- In BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Stanyard" <roger@...> wrote:
>
> --- In BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com, "bonytrux" <bonytrux@> wrote:
> >
> > Following the refusal of Brew fo see Lee Kilgour's parents on Monday
> I
> > wrote a letter to Brew for Mr. Kilgour. It stated the actual
> > references to DfES regulations on exclusions, told Brew he had acted
> > illegally and demanded that Lee was reinstated. It has apparently
> > caused great waves at Trinity - Brew has abandoned his diary for two
> > days, spending today getting legal advice. He is now due to meet Mr.
> > Kilgour at 8.45am tomorrow. BBC Look North plan to film Mr. Kilgour
> > and Lee going in and then to interview them afterwards to hear the
> > outcome of the meeting.Councillor Martin Williams will again try to
> > attend the meeting. Should be on lunchtime and evening bulletins.
> > (This is what happens when you push the head of Thorne Grammar out to
> > prepare the way for Vardy - I was always known for writing nasty
> > letters !)
>
>
> We owe you a big round of applause! Thanks.
>
I agree. Well done Tony.
Alan.
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Ian Lowe
RE: Re: New Member
14/09/2006 12:54:00
> It is bad manners on my behalf not to have tried it out.
> Please accept my apologies Ian. I'll try in out at later this
afternoon.
Ach, no need to apologise - I'm really not trying to have a go here.
If you get an account set up, I'll pop you a private message and make you an
admin so you can see how it's all done.
Offer goes for anyone here, btw - I'm happy to demo how this stuff hangs
together so that folks can implement it on their own.
I.
2744
Ian Lowe
RE: Re: New Member
14/09/2006 13:22:00
Alan,
It's less about the forum - as you say, seen one, seen them all - it's about
the email integration side of things.
I think it's fit for purpose, as do the users on another forum I help
manage... but that's something I would rather people saw beforehand, rather
than ran into afterwards.
Tbh, given you have forum experience, that makes your input more valuable -
I'd happily pop admin rights on your account so you can see how it's "wired
up" in admin terms, and get a fel for what can/can't be done.
Ian.
-----Original Message-----
From: BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com [BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of ukantic
Sent: 14 September 2006 12:50
To: BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BlackShadow] Re: New Member
--- In BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Lowe" <ian@...> wrote:
>
>
> So... One week later and where do we stand?
>
> Well, basically, the only people who signed up to the demo board were
> Myself, Phil and Brian. Mikey voiced support, but other than that,
it's been
> silent.
>
> Really, Brian is the only person who has logged in and posted/sent
an email
> to see how it works. This literally takes a couple of *minutes* of
time, and
> allows for an informed decision to be made as to whether this is
something
> that would meet the needs of the group.
>
> I'm not particularly comfortable with going any further on this if
people
> have not tried it out first.
The only reason I have not tried it out Ian is because I am fairly
familiar with these types of forums, you said it can have both private
& public areas (which I believe are going to be essential - we need to
get Nick back somehow because he is an absolute goldmine on the UK
creationist scene) & I am therefore happy to see BS move across; I
don't feel the need to test it out.
Alan.
Yahoo! Groups Links
2745
oeditor
Re: Trinity Haircur update 2
14/09/2006 13:54:00
--- In BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com, "ukantic" <alan@...> wrote:
>
> --- In BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Stanyard" <roger@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com, "bonytrux" <bonytrux@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Following the refusal of Brew fo see Lee Kilgour's parents on
Monday
> > I
> > > wrote a letter to Brew for Mr. Kilgour. It stated the actual
> > > references to DfES regulations on exclusions, told Brew he had
acted
> > > illegally and demanded that Lee was reinstated. It has apparently
> > > caused great waves at Trinity - Brew has abandoned his diary for
two
> > > days, spending today getting legal advice. He is now due to meet
Mr.
> > > Kilgour at 8.45am tomorrow. BBC Look North plan to film Mr. Kilgour
> > > and Lee going in and then to interview them afterwards to hear the
> > > outcome of the meeting.Councillor Martin Williams will again try to
> > > attend the meeting. Should be on lunchtime and evening bulletins.
> I agree. Well done Tony.
Not so well done Look North, however. They just declared a
"breakthrough" and made no mention of why Brew has backed down. Also,
it seems another pupil was suspended because of bleached hair on
Tuesday. If LN had mentioned the illegality of suspension, they would
have alerted his parents to demand a reinstatement too. So why didn't
they, I wonder?
Brian
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Timothy Chase
Re: Re: Proof Reading
14/09/2006 17:07:00
On 14/09/06, Rudy Vonk <rudy@mores.es> wrote:
> On 14 sep 2006, at 10:33, Mikey Brass wrote:
>
> > My view is that this is a UK website for UK citizens and therefore
> > should reflect Uk English spelling.
>
> The Times and the Economist Style Guides agree with you. I'll change it
> back to "s", but I still agree with Fowler :-)
I have noticed the academic papers out of the UK using the UK spelling
as well - if they aren't specifically intended for international
audiences. For me, the deciding factor is the that the website is
intended for the UK.
(Personally, I enjoy seeing the UK spelling, although I am not exactly
sure why. May have something to do with making me feel like I am part
of a larger world. I suppose that is especially important for me
nowadays, at least on an emotional level since the US has been making
me feel something akin to claustrophobia over the last few years.)
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Rudy Vonk
website updates
14/09/2006 17:05:00
The "-ise" version has been restored due to popular demand.
(Authors of style guides are obviously younger than I am, and not
ususally linguists. Most are victims of the Wilson government's
decision to strike grammar from the curriculum since it is "elitist",
some four decades ago. Compilers of dictionaries are, thankfully, still
mostly linguists. Unfortunately, my modest means do not include access
to a full OED. Perhaps one of you who are blessed by the taxpayer with
a university library could find the earliest reference of both versions
in British English, just to satisfy my curiosity? Etymology - and
Fowler - rules OK; except in modern UK English. )
____________________________
Rudy Vonk
Oviedo, Spain
<rudy@mores.es>
+34 607 354100
You can't always want what you get
____________________________
2748
Roger Stanyard
More UK Nutters?
14/09/2006 17:53:00
I've just got a list of an alleged 3,000 scientists who "dissent"
from Darwinism. As far as I am aware, the list is not in the public
domain. It has been produced by Jerry Bergman who is a US academic
and creationist nutcase associated with Answers in Genesis.
Apparently he is pushing this list around making various claims about
it and how the real figure is 10,000!.
The list is basically bogus and probably only has about 1,900-2,100
names on it but it is ammunition for the fundies. If anyone wants the
list, let me know and I will email it.
I have extracted most of the UK names from the list (those that we
know about I haven't bothered with). Bergman appears not to have
systematically checked his facts so the details need to be treated
with great caution but there are an awful lot he has on his list who
are known creationists and IDers.
The oddest name on the list is the American Mary Schweitzer who, as
far as I am aware, has been highly critical of the nutters and is
certainly not a YECer : Mary Higby Schweitzer Ph.D. Professor of
Molecular Paleontology at North Carolina State University. Her Ph.D.
is in Paleontology from Montana State University under Jack Horner.
She has published widely, including in Science. She is called by
Discover Magazine, "one of the worlds best known paleontologists"
(May, 2006, p. 40).
The UK names on the list are as follows. I have added my comments
after each name.
Edmund J. Ambrose D.Sc. is Professor Emeritus at the University of
London and head department of Cell Biology at the Chester Beatty
Research Institute University of London. He has a BA from Cambridge
and a D.Sc. from London University in cell biology. He is the author
of many books, including the text Cell Biology, and The Nature and
Origin of the Biological World (Halsted), which advocates Intelligent
Design.
Not a known name to me.
Eric C. Barrett Ph.D., D.Sc. Research Scientist in Climatology and
Remote Sensing at the University of Bristol, in England. His first
class Honors BS in Geography, and a M.Sc. in climatic change are from
the University of Sheffield. He lectured as a full-time faculty at
Sheffield and Leicester before moving to Bristol where he was awarded
his Ph.D., and a higher doctorate (D.Sc.) in 1982 for Òhis sustained
and distinguishedÓ contributions to science. Barrett is now Dean of
the Radio Academy of Science.
Believed to be retired but needs checking
Stephen Bewlay B.App.Sc. has held government, private industry, and
teaching positions. He is now employed as an underwater electro
acoustic engineer for Marconi Maritime MAPS systems.
Name not known to me.
Andrew G. Bosanquet Ph.D., CBiol, MIBiol in Biology and Microbiology,
is Director of the Bath Cancer Research Wolfson Centre at the Royal
United Hospital in Bath, England and the Department of Postgraduate
Medicine at the University of Bath.
Known name, Not involved in education.
David Boul Ph.D. earned his degrees from Oxford, including his Ph.D.
in Chemistry. Since 1971, he has worked for several of the worldÕs
largest petroleum companies, including Esso, Shell, and BP.
Not a known name to me.
Malcolm Bowden C. Eng. is an independent British Chartered Consulting
Civil and Structural Engineer. He is a Member of the Institution of
MICE, MI Struct E Civil Engineers and the Institution of Structural
Engineers.
Not a known name to me.
Richard Buggs D. Phil Newcastle. He has a MA and a D.Phil.
Not a known name to me.
Malcolm D. Chrisholm Ph. has a Ph.D. in Insect Ecology from the
University of Bristol, UK. He also has a M.A. in Zoology from Oxford
University.
Believed to be an IDer, surname is spelled Chisholm!
Robert E.D. Clark Professor emeritus of Chemistry at Cambridgeshire
College in Cambridge, England. He Has a MA and Ph.D. in Organic
Chemistry from Cambridge University.
Not a known name to me Obviously retired..
Chris Darnbrough M.A., Ph.D. received his MA and Ph.D. in
Biochemistry from the University of Cambridge. He has held research
positions in the University of Cambridge, Edinburgh, and Glasgow,
working on molecular biology, most recently as Research Fellow in the
Department of Biochemistry, Glasgow University.
Not a known name to me.
Alistair Donald Ph.D. His Ph.D. is in Pleistocene Palynology from the
University of Wales.
Not a known name to me.
Gerald Duffett M.Phil. was Head of Biology at Ely College,
Cambridgeshire, in the United Kingdom. He has a BS and a research
degree in Zoology from London University.
Not a known name to me.
Martin Emery Ph.D. has a Ph.D. in Chemistry from the University of
Southampton (UK).
Not a known name to me.
Stephen Ferguson Ph.D. received his Ph.D. from the University of St.
Andrews, Scotland, United Kingdom. He read Mathematics and Philosophy
as an undergraduate at St. Andrews, and then read for a MS in
Mathematics Logic at the University of Bristol. Ferguson was Research
Assistant in the Philosophy Department at St. Andrews.
Not a known name to me.
John H. Fermor Ph.D. Senior Lecturer in geography at Glasgow College
of Technology. Fermor holds a BA and a Ph.D. in Geography from
Southampton University and an Education Diploma from Oxford
University.
Not a known name to me.
Frederick A. Filby Ph.D. is Professor of Inorganic Chemistry at South-
East Essex Technical University. He received his BS (Hons.) in
Chemistry from East London (Queen Mary) College. His MS and Ph.D. in
Chemistry are both from the University College, London.
Name not known to me.
Mike Forward Ph.D. has a Ph.D. in Applied Mathematics (Chaos Theory)
from Imperial College, University of London.
Believed to be an IDer
Ghillean T. France D.Phil. has a BA and a MA from Oxford University,
England, and a D.Phil. in Forest Botany, all from Oxford University,
England. Dr. France is Director of the Royal Botanic Gardens in Kev,
England.
Not a known name to me. Astonishing to see this person on the list!
Ian C. Fuller Ph.D. is Professor of Physical Geography at the Massey
University, New Zealand. He received his Ph.D. from University of
Wales, Aberystwyth.
Known name, appears to be a YECer
Michael Garton M.S. graduated with a BS in Geology from the
University of Hull and a MS in Structural Geology and Rock Mechanics
from Imperial College (University of London).
Not a known name to me.
Mike Gascoigne M.S. obtained his B.Sc. (Hons) degree in Chemical
Engineering at the University of Leeds and his Master of C.Eng., and
M.I.Chem.E. degree at the University of Shiraz.
Not a known name to me.
Peter W. V. Gurney M.D. is qualified in Medicine at the University of
Bristol, England and specializes in Ophthalmology. He completed his
training at Moorfields Eye Hospital, London. A fellow of the Royal
Colleges of Surgeons and of Ophthalmologists, Gurney has practiced as
a consultant ophthalmologist in the West Midlands since 1980.
Not a known name to me.
M. A. S. Haleem is Professor at the School of Oriental and African
Studies at the University of London and on the Advisory Council of
St. Ethelburga's.
Not a known name to me.
Alan T. J. Hayward Ph.D. a well-known British physicist, was a
principle scientific officer at a government research laboratory
until he retired. He has a M.Sc., a F.Inst.e, a C.Eng., a M.Inst., a
Mech.E., and F. Inst.Pet.
Not a known name to me. Looks to be retired
Marko Horb Ph.D. is a Researcher in the Department of Biology and
Biochemistry at the University of Bath. He has a Ph.D. in Cell &
Developmental Biology from the State University of New York.
Not a known name to me.
Paul James-Griffiths B.A. has a BA in Ancient History with classical
studies from the University of Leicester, and a P.G.C.E. from the
University of London.
Not a known name to me.
Vernon Jenkins M.S. has a B.Sc.(Hons) in Mining Engineering and a MS,
both from the University of Wales. He is now Senior Lecturer in the
Department of Mathematics and Computer Science at the University of
Glamorgan.
Not a known name to me.
Elizabeth Jones MB, BS MRCP, DCH Community Pediatrician from
Newcastle on Tyne and qualified 1971 Guys Hospital, London
University. She has a Bachelor of Medicine, and Bachelor of Surgery.
Member of the Royal College of Physicians of UK, Diploma in Child
Health.
Not a known name to me.
Paul A. Jutzkiewicz M.S. graduated with Honors in Psychology from the
University of Newcastle-upon-Tyne in 1973, specializing in animal
behavior. He received a Postgraduate Certificate of Education from
the University of London and a MS in Environmental Resources from the
University of Solford. He is now a science teacher at St. Vincent
School in Gospot, England.
Not a known name to me.
Victor Khomenko Ph.D. Research fellow. Computing Science, University
of Newcastle upon Tyne. He has MSc with distinction in Applied
Mathematics from Kiev Taras Shevchenko University, and Ph.D. in
Computing Science from University of Newcastle upon Tyne.
Not a known name to me.
Steven Layfield B.A., received a BA with honors in Physics and Music
from the University of Keele-Staffs and is now Head of the department
of Science at Emmanuel College in Gateshead, Britian.
Properly spelled as Stephen!
Alan H. Linton D.Sc., Ph.D. is Emeritus Professor of Bacteriology and
former Head of the Department of Microbiology, University of Bristol.
He also has a FRCPath.
Not a known name to me.
Henry S. Lipson CBE, F.Inst.P. Professor Emeritus of Physicist at the
University of Manchester Institute of Science and Technology, United
Kingdom. He has a B.S.
Not a known name to me.
Malcolm W. MacArthur Ph.D. has a Ph.D. in Molecular Biophysics from
the University of London.
Not a known name to me.
Ian MacIver Ph.D., a Professor, Department of Tutorial Studies,
Longside College, Glasgow, Scotland, U.K., and Principal of
Coatbridge College of Further Education.
Not a known name to me.
Donald Mackay Ph.D. was a British neurophysiologist and Professor of
Neuroscience at Britian's Keele University. He founded the research
department at Keele and published numerous books in his field. His
degree was in Physics from St. Andrews University.
Looks to be retired/dead. Not a known name to me.
Colin W. Mitchell Ph.D. is a former international consultant in the
development of arid lands based in the United Kingdom. He studied at
Harvard University, has a MA with honors in Geography from Oxford
University, a Master of Civic Design Degree from the University of
Liverpool, and a Ph.D. in Desert Terrain Geography from Cambridge
University.
Known name, retired
Ewan Robert James More B.S., P.G.C.S.E. graduated in Biology from
Paisley University. Since then he has entered the teaching
profession, training at Jordanhill Teacher Training College
(graduating PGCSE in Biology and Chemistry), Scotland.
Not a known name to me.
Trevor Morris Ph.D. was formerly principle Scientific Officer in
charge of the Division of Radiation Science and Acoustics, National
Physical Laboratories. His Ph.D. is from?
Not a known name to me Retired?
John Nicholls was a lecturer in Microbiology, Mid-Essex Technical
College, Chelmsford, England.
Not a known name to me. Retired?
Alastair M. Noble Ph.D His PhD is in Chemistry from University of
Glasgow, Scotland.
Not a known name to me.
David Oderberg D.Phil. is Professor of Philosophy in the Department
of Philosophy at the University of Reading, Reading, United Kingdom.
His BA and LLB are from Melbourne and his doctorate is from Oxford
University, all in Philosophy. He has authored 3 books, edited 4
books, and written 30 articles.
Not a known name to me.
Andrew Page Ph.D. is a Senior Lecturer in Biology at Scheffield
Polytechnic College, and an author. He has a B.Sc., a Ph.D., C.Biol
and a M.Biol, Eng.
Not a known name to me. Scheffield presumably means Sheffield.
Michael Pitman M.A. is a former natural science and chemistry
professor at Cambridge University. He has a BA in Science from the
Open University and a MA in Classics form Oxford University. He is
now analyst /programmer for Philips Electronics.
Not a known name to me.
John C. Polkinghorne Sc.D. spent most of his career as a theoretical
elementary particle physicist and from 1968 to 1979 was a Professor
of Mathematical Physics at Cambridge University. He was President of
Queen's College of Cambridge University since 1989 until his
retirement in 1996. He received a MA in Mathematics, a Ph.D. in
Theoretical Physics, and a Sc.D. in Theoretical Physics all from
Trinity College, Cambridge.
Believed to be an OECer
Robert M. Porter is on staff/faculty at the University of Dundee in
the Anatomy and Physiology Department teaching biology, specializing
in keratin biology and molecular biology. His ? is from ?
Not a known name to me.
Luke Randall Ph.D. has a Certificate in Biology (an Honors equivalent
to M.I.Biol.) in Applied Biology specializing in Microbiology, a
M.Sc. in Immunology and a Ph.D. in Molecular Microbiology from the
University of London.
Known name
Steven J. Robinson M.A., co-editor of the Journal of the Ancient
Chronology Forum, has a MA from Cambridge University, England.
Name rings a bell, believed to be associated with genesis Agendum,
otherwise not a known name to me.
Philip J. Sampson PhD is an author and research fellow at a British
think Tank. His PhD is in the social sciences from the University of
Southampton in England.
Not a known name to me.
Mary Higby Schweitzer Ph.D. Professor of Molecular Paleontology at
North Carolina State University. Her Ph.D. is in Paleontology from
Montana State University under Jack Horner. She has published widely,
including in Science. She is called by Discover Magazine, Òone of the
worlds best known paleontologistsÓ (May, 2006, p. 40).
!!!! What is she doing on this list!!!
Peter Silley Ph.D. has a Ph.D. in Microbial Biochemistry from the
University of Newcastle upon Tyne.
Known name
Vij Sodera FRCS a physician, graduated from Sheffield University
Medical School in Chemistry; Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons
of Edinburgh.
Not a known name to me.
Charles W. Stammers Ph.D. a professor at Bath University, United
Kingdom, since 1973. He has a BA, a MIMechE Degree, and a Ph.D. in
Mechanical Engineering.
Not a known name to me.
Alex G. Stewart M.B., CHB is with the Department of Health Care
Education at the University of Liverpool in the United Kingdom and
Wirrel Health Authority, Birkenhead.
Not a known name to me.
Ann Sweeney is a lecturer in Mathematics at Chichester College of
Technology in England. After reading for a degree in Mathematics and
Science at the University of Aberdeen, she received her Postgraduate
Certificate and Diploma in Education from Aberdeen College of
Education.
Not a known name to me.
David Tonge Ph.D. studied as an undergraduate at Imperial College,
London, obtaining a B.Sc. with first class honors in Mathematics. In
1979 he was awarded a Ph.D. by the University of London. He was
Lecturer (since 1965) in the Department of Mathematics and Computer
Science at the Polytechnic of Wales, near Cardiff.
Not a known name to me.
Sheena Tyler Ph.D.
John Tyler's wife
Milton Wainwright Ph.D. Professor of Molecular Biology at the
University of Sheffield, Sheffield.
Believed to be a covert IDer
John C. Walton B.S., Ph.D., D.Sc. is Professor of Reactive Chemistry
at the University of St. Andrews. His B.S. is from the University of
Sheffield, Ph.D from the University of St. Andrews, and D.Sc. from
the University of Sheffield.
Not a known name to me.
E. Wilder-Smith Ph.D. is Professor at University of Illinois Medical
School Center (Visiting Full Professor of Pharmacology, 1959-1961),
University of Geneva School of Medicine, University of Bergen
(Norway) School of Medicine, Hacettepe University (Ankara, Turkey)
Medical School. His Ph.D. in Physical Organic Chemistry at university
of Reading, England. His D.Sc. in Pharmacological Sciences from
Eidgenossische Technische Hochschule (Swiss Federal Institute of
Technology) in Zurich, and D.Sc. in Pharmacological Sciences from
University of Geneva, and F.R.I.C. (Fellow of the Royal Institute of
Chemistry).
Brown Bread?
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Roger Stanyard
Re: website updates
14/09/2006 18:19:00
--- In BlackShadow@yahoogroups.com, Rudy Vonk <rudy@...> wrote:
>
> The "-ise" version has been restored due to popular demand.
>
> (Authors of style guides are obviously younger than I am, and not
> ususally linguists. Most are victims of the Wilson government's
> decision to strike grammar from the curriculum since it
is "elitist",
> some four decades ago. Compilers of dictionaries are, thankfully,
still
> mostly linguists. Unfortunately, my modest means do not include
access
> to a full OED. Perhaps one of you who are blessed by the taxpayer
with
> a university library could find the earliest reference of both
versions
> in British English, just to satisfy my curiosity? Etymology - and
> Fowler - rules OK; except in modern UK English. )
Rudy, I always thought it was that potty Webster bloke with his daft
dictionary that introduced the -ize spelling. As soon as that
happened the Americans started exporting it to us because there was
no international agreement on copyright. So they ripped off British
books, printed them in America and re-imported them, complete with
daft spelling, at a lower price than those printed in the UK.
Apparently it was all a bit illegal but that didn't stop them.
> ____________________________
> Rudy Vonk
> Oviedo, Spain
> <rudy@...>
> +34 607 354100
>
> You can't always want what you get
> ____________________________
>
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Rudy Vonk
Re: Re: website updates
14/09/2006 18:37:00
On 14 sep 2006, at 19:19, Roger Stanyard wrote:
> Rudy, I always thought it was that potty Webster bloke with his daft
> dictionary that introduced the -ize spelling.
I have a hard time believing that scenario. As mentioned, on your
website I bow to _current_ UK majority practise, as courteously